Call the dealer if for nothing more than to double check, but tires are wear items and and it's highly unlikely you get any kind of help from them. There is obviously an alignment issue, but the center of the tire is past the wear bars also. Alignment I believe is covered only during the first 12mo/12K miles as it is a maintenance item. Others here have reported getting only 25K out of a set of tires, so it's not unheard of.

 

Those tires are beyond toast, you’re not getting anything from Honda as you’re way past the wear bars.

Do you never rotate your tires? I have 24k miles on my 2018 Elite, and tires look nothing like that. I’m probably 6/32, I’ll measure tomorrow morning.

 

Yeah I do have them rotated with every oil change.

This (front driver side) is the only tire that's worn down to the wear indicator. The front passenger side is also worn almost down to the wear indicator, and it doesn't have any exposed wires.

Rear tires are in much better shape. But I am going to replace all 4 anyway. Before I do that I feel like I need to figure out the culprit for excessive wear on one tire.

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So how many rotations in 25k miles?

 

I believe 3. Once every 7-8k, during oil changes at the dealership. I know it should be every 5k, but I don't think it's worth an extra visit.

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So here is the issue. Blanket rotation schedules simply do not take into consideration your personal driving habits, mile type, and your geographical location. In the mid west with about a 50/50 local/highway mile mix and a wife that drives gently I have never gotten less than 50K out of a set of tires and that's not even running them below 5/32 which I refuse to do. But my buddy who lives in the southwest US where the pavement formula uses a much different type of stone and percentage of stone mixture to deal with the heat can never seem to get much past 20K. Lots of local miles vs highway, but not an aggressive driver. When he first relocated he asked me what he was doing wrong because it was so different than what he was used to. Also, the Ody is very heavy and drivers coming from small to medium sedans that still drive the same way go through tires and brakes pretty quick.

If I encountered you at the tire store counter I would ask the questions above and make a recommendation based on that, but I would focus on tires that were designed specifically for the crossover or suv market as they are designed for heavier vehicles and tend to hold up better on the Ody. I would also watch the load rating and try to stay with a 105 rated tire. One extremely good choice for the money in the 235/55-19 size is the Sumitomo HTR A/S P03. I have a set of the previous P02 model on my 2011 Toyota Venza and they are holding up great. The also do very well in snow and wet and are about $50 a tire less than pretty much any comparable tire.

 

If your front tires are clearly worn more than the rear ones, the tires weren't rotated frequently enough. Or, the dealer might not have rotated them and you thought they did. I'm thinking they didn't rotate the tires, otherwise they definitely would have seen and told you that you needed new tires.

Highly unlikely the dealer will do anything for you about the tires. 25K miles is on the low end of what people get out of a set of tires, but definitely not unheard of, especially on the factory set that tends to be more cheaply made. Odd that the alignment would be THAT far off by 25K miles. Perhaps you or your wife make an unusually frequent amount of left turns, at a high rate of speed?

I'd go to Costco or another tire place to get tires --- I've heard good recommendations about Discount Tire, but I don't have them in my area. I also like BJ's, if you have them in your area (similar to Costco). You don't have to replace all 4 if your rear 2 tires are still fine, but Costco and BJ's often runs rebates when you buy 4 tires together so it usually makes sense. They also have lifetime rotations, so you can get the rotations done at Costco on a separate interval from the oil change.

 

That's awesome feedback, and I really appreciate that. I was thinking of going with the Michelin Defender LTX (105 load rating) or the Premier LTX (101 load rating). But I'll look into the Sumitomo.

I'm in the Houston area so snow is not a concern. But high temperatures and concrete highways seem to be a contributing factor that I wasn't aware of.

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On the Michelin side there is no comparison IMO between the Defender and Premier. Defender all day every day, but with only a 5K mile warranty difference I would have a hard time paying the premium for the Michelin, but that is just me. TireRack, not that I advocate for buying tires there and just use it as a comparison site, shows the Sumitomo at $139 and the Defender at $212 or 65% of the Michelin price for the Sumitomo. The biggest reason for buying from a local source will be the likelihood of you needing to collect on the treadwear warranty. Being in Houston it's not overly dangerous to run tires down to the wear bars, where here in the mid west I would never do that. Then when you do need to collect it is a local store taking care of you.

 

At 25K, you are past your wear indicators and that tire is looking at significant negative camber. Since camber is not adjustable on the G5 from factory, and there are no solutions to fix them (yet), you need to really isolate what is wrong with your suspension that is causing this type of wear. I believe there is some significant misalignment (to say the least) and probably due to impact or component failure.

My recommendation is before you take it to a shop to get tires installed, ensure that your suspension is healthy.

 

I was wondering if OP might have hit something really hard like a curb, or if the vehicle had been involved in an accident at one point. I agree that there is something really off about the suspension that I don't know if a simple alignment would correct.

I've tended to buy Michelins in the past as well, but I'm not sure if they're really worth the premium going forward. Costco unfortunately doesn't have a lot of options --- they sell Michelin, BFGoodrich (owned by Michelin), and Bridgestone tires only. Their road hazard warranty, however, is the best that I've come across and they do free lifetime rotations and balancing. I do my own oil changes but don't like to jack up the car, so I just take the car back to Costco for rotations. Costco often runs discounts like $150 off a full set of 4 Michelin tires, so the price isn't too bad even if still on the expensive side. If OP buys another brand of tires, he'll have to get it from another place and figure out the rotation schedule separately if the shop doesn't do free rotations.

 

Thanks everyone for the feedback. I swapped out all 4 with Defenders (rear tires had 4/32 remaining). I heard the same concern about the Tahoe-like feel, but I feel like the trade off for a stronger tire will be worth it for me (hot climate, Houston area concrete roads). Maybe I'll be in the same boat as AZDude and have them swapped out -- we'll see. I considered the Cross Climate, but didn't want single direction tires. Also I'm not sure they would benefit me with the driving conditions and roads I use.
-- I'm curious about your decision (Defender vs CC2) since you also deal with high temps and concrete roads in Arizona.

I went with Discount Tire after finding out that it can take Costco up to a week to receive the tires after I place the order online (WTF?).

What is great about Costco's road hazard warranty (I'm asking since I am not aware)? DT offered me full replacement credit (instead of prorated) for road hazards for $36/tire. Considering that their price was the same as Costco and came with a $70 rebate (which Costco currently has none), I figured it was worth it. I would have loved to wait for a $150 off Michelin deal with Costco, but unfortunately it's not worth the risk of running on my tires in the condition they were (kicking myself for not realizing it sooner).

Next step is to get the suspension checked. This vehicle has not been in an accident, nor has it hit a curb. Hopefully it's component failure that can be covered under warranty.

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I'm curious about your decision (Defender vs CC2) since you also deal with high temps and concrete roads in Arizona.

I put on pirelli scorpion verde all season plus ii, after a lot of back and forth. I’m liking them way better after 15 Miles on it. Seem like good fit for me with initial impression: quiet, good handling, taking bumps well. The body isn’t yawing anymore when you give any kind of wheel input when you are going dead straight, let alone if you need to make a quicker maneuver...

 

I've heard that Discount Tire is on par with Costco for price, selection, and road hazard warranty. I don't believe we have them here in the Northeast, unfortunately.

I've bought tires from BJ's and Costco before. I actually prefer BJ's, since their prices and selection are slightly better than Costco and they're usually not as busy when I bring the car in for rotations. Most places, including BJ's, only offer the road hazard warranty for up to 3 years; Costco's is longer, I think 5? I had a flat on a brand new Michelin Defender tire on my Toyota Camry that I bought from BJ's that had about 1K miles on it... they covered it under road hazard, but made me pay for installation, which I've never experienced at Costco. Also, tires have a treadlife warranty from the manufacturer (i.e. 65K miles) but I'd have to make that claim directly with the tire manufacturer if I exceeded BJ's 3 year warranty. I've heard that Costco will honor the tread warranty directly.

If your rear ones had 4/32 remaining, it was probably time to swap them out anyway. Good call on getting all 4 at once. Knowing that your van (and/or driving habits) is hard on tires, I'd get them rotated at 5K intervals going forward. Does Discount Tire give you free rotations? If so, I would rotate them on a separate schedule than oil changes.

Check your local dealer's website, sometimes they run alignment specials for not much more than local places. Alignments usually cost around $100 in my area, but I've seen local dealers offer specials for $110. If that's the case, you should probably take it to the dealer to investigate whether there is component failure and/or what exactly is out of whack with the alignment. Alternatively, you could take it to a local alignment shop and ask them to do an alignment check, many places have this free, and let them know about your tire situation and your concern that there may be a component issue, and see what they say. Actually, I've some dealers have coupons for a free alignment check too.

 

DT does offer free balance/rotations so I'll definitely start going there. My Honda dealer gives me free oil changes as long as I own the vehicle but charges $20 to rotate. So I have been doing that for the sake of convenience -- we have 3 young kids in car seats, so it's not easy to be without the van for several hours.

Discount Tire was able to swap out my 4 tires and called me back for pickup within 30 mins of me dropping it off, even though they looked busy. I was seriously impressed. I feel confident that they'll be able to do a rotation quickly while I wait -- we'll see...

One negative is that I wanted them to fill the tires with nitrogen, but they don't offer the service. Costco does offer it. Oh well...

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@dgpatel180 , DT is very good and their service, by far, is rock solid. I have only dealt with DT Direct, and wish there was a DT store in my state.

Nitrogen is overrated for passenger vehicles; they make sense for high performance vehicles where tire temperature and expansion rates are crucial.
Pressurizing your tires in low humidity is best.

 

+1 for N being over-rated. The marginal increase in N saturation from 78% content of the air you breathe to ~85% inside a tire is simply not that valuable when you consider the hassle of tracking it down when you need to bump your pressures.

 

What's strange to me is that a dealership did not take the opportunity to upsell you, which is what oil changes tend to be.

Most now have alignment checkers that scan as you drop off, to sell you an alignment. Most do a visual on tires for that upsell opportunity. Rare is the story of needed things not being pointed out. More common is the 30k mile engine overhaul recommendation, or something similar.

 

Agree that oil changes are upsell opportunities, but the alignment scanners are hit and miss depending on your location. I'm only aware of one dealer that has one in at least a 20 mile radius from me and that probably covers close to 100 new car dealers.

 

Suggestions:
1. Check your tire pressure frequently with a precision gauge (at least once a month)
2. Go easy on cornering (if you can hear tires ‘bite’ then that’s too fast!)
3. For traffic lights and conditions, anticipate slowing more by coasting and go easier on braking
4. Use your lifetime balance/rotate about ever 5k until the alignment is verified; ask shop to give you diagram of rotation pattern. Also double check pressure after rotation (I’ve found they sometimes ‘forget’)
5. Recheck with dealer about their free alignment check; if NA, then check another Honda dealer, as their go/nogo result is helpful to know
6. Keep an eye on tread wear & pattern, and replace tires at 6/32 remaining; the restoration of improved ride and wet handling performance will be worth it!

Good luck!
And please let us know the alignment check result!

 

Great feedback, I really appreciate it. Is the pressure info provided on the dash not reliable? I understand it may not be perfect, but I would expect it to be "close enough".

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I noticed the inner shoulder of one of my tires has an exposed tire wire due to excessive wear. From the looks of it, it seems like someone up above was looking out for us, since it must have been balding for some time. The photo shows the worst part (longest length of exposed wire), however there are various shorter lengths exposed all the way around the tire. I'm kind of annoyed that Honda didn't warn me about this when I took it in for an oil change and tire rotation a few weeks ago. It's not immediately obvious, but I just happened to notice it while watching my wife drive up and taking a hard left turn. Needless to say, it must be replaced pronto. Would Honda give me credit for the tire since it's only 25k miles? I presume this is an alignment issue, which wouldn't be covered under warranty If the Honda doesn't give me 50% credit for the tire, I'd rather not waste my time going to the dealer. I'd probably go to Costco or somewhere else per recommendations on this forum. 2018 Elite, 25k miles, just under 2 years owned. Thanks

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Did you get any resolution with this? I have a 2020 elite doing the same exact thing since I purchased it. 3rd set of tires. Alignment is fine but tires wear heavily on the inside of the tire.

 

Sam's club is a good option next time and includes road hazard with the installation at $20 / tire plus free balance, flat repair and rotations for the life of the tire. I would definitely check alignment, when you install the tires they will often offer to check for free.

 

I actually just had an alignment and it’s completely fine. Honda has zero explanation and doesn’t want to take responsibility for something being wrong with the vehicle and I purchased it brand new. Yes I buy my new tires from Sam’s club as well!