[0dyfamily]

No matter how many shafts or clutch packs, they all operate in similar fashion. The TC and its TCC (torque converter clutch) fluid circuits are probably the single component grouping with the single largest holdup volume of ATF, and you can't make a wholly meaningful exchange of ATF unless the transmission is given a chance to engage all gears and lock up the TCC.

Yes, you have to drive the car.

Pulling an ATF cooler fluid line and running the engine with a stationary vehicle holds no advantage over the humble drain/refill mantra. You waste quite a bit of ATF to achieve a lesser result.

This is one instance where an easy, less complicated method, like drain/refill, is truly better. I wish that the YouTube video of that ridiculous guy with his grey hoodie and safety glasses removing an ATF cooler line would just go away.

I don't know how these bad ideas gain traction (like "don't change your ATF ... you'll wreck your transmission!"). I blame the internet.

Back to the OP's question: I've never even seen a bottle of AISIN ATF.

OF

 

[jjarokeroc]

Honda service manual specifically instructs the drain and fill method and use of DW1 fluid.

Why would you value the advice of some anonymous Internet schmoes over the manufacturer's service manual?

 

[hpark21]

I went straight from Z1 -> Maxlife (06 EXL). Shifts MUCH better than Z1. Now, granted I have NOT tried DW1 though but no complaints with Maxlife so far. (I only have 178k or so on "weak" tranny)
I PERSONALLY, feel that pretty much ANY reputable and compatible tranny fluid will be just fine as long as you replace it in timely manner and don't drive like a mad man.

I am keep extending replacement timeline of the minivan. First, it was until kids graduate from middle school, then when they go to college, then now, it is until they graduate from college and one of the kid DID graduate this year and the other will do it by next year so looks like I may have to reset my goal to maybe when they get married or something... They practically grew up in the van - since kindergarten for my younger son.)

 

[Odyssey.owner]

But you have a 2005 so different trannies so it doesn't count.

About trannies, you probably know better than anyone here 😁

 

[dvpatel]

I am keep extending replacement timeline of the minivan. First, it was until kids graduate from middle school, then when they go to college, then now, it is until they graduate from college and one of the kid DID graduate this year and the other will do it by next year so looks like I may have to reset my goal to maybe when they get married or something... They practically grew up in the van - since kindergarten for my younger son.)

Meh. You will need the minivan when you have grand babies.

 

[dvpatel]

About trannies, you probably know better than anyone here 😁

Nope. But. I do not go on forums after making up my mind and post things and then start discounting the responses under one excuse or the other.

 

[Odyssey.owner]

Honda service manual specifically instructs the drain and fill method and use of DW1 fluid.

Why would you value the advice of some anonymous Internet schmoes over the manufacturer's service manual?

Honda manual says many things..
One of them is "use honda OEM parts".
Sure enough, most folks from this forum are trying to avoid buying honda OEM parts, whenever possible.

 

[Odyssey.owner]

Nope. But. I do not go on forums after making up my mind and post things and then start discounting the responses under one excuse or the other.

What's wrong with going on forum to ask questions? I love to talk to experienced and educated mechanics. That's the way to learn. John Clark is one of them. I am a bit educated myself, diesel engine engineer, working in trucking industry right now. Still asking questions, and getting advises from mechanics. Because they always know better, which brand of the particular part will last longer.

Anyhow, seems that not too many folks used AISIN ATF. I will use it, and will report the results later. In case if anyone is interested. ✌

 

[dvpatel]

What's wrong with going on forum to ask questions? I love to talk to experienced and educated mechanics. That's the way to learn. John Clark is one of them. I am a bit educated myself, diesel engine engineer, working in trucking industry right now. Still asking questions, and getting advises from mechanics. Because they always know better, which brand of the particular part will last longer.

Anyhow, seems that not too many folks used AISIN ATF. I will use it, and will report the results later. In case if anyone is interested. ✌

Nothing is wrong. Which is why this one is still OPEN actually. Usually we shut these down and send people to the viper pit they call BITOG.

What was wrong is, you discounted the fact that 3 generations of Odys all have the Honda DW-1 recommendation and then you got into but that is the 4th gen or that is the Touring and what not. All was well till then.

And yes, as you can see, some have used it (AISIN DW-1) in 2nd gen, some in the 3rd gen and others in the 4th gen but apparently VERY few and none for your 2008 - 2010 ask.

Do come back and post your findings for other people like yourself who want specific experience with their exact tranny.

 

[Odyssey.owner]

Usually we shut these down and send people to the viper pit they call BITOG.

Sorry, I didn't quite understand this one..
Why would you send someone away, to another forum? What's the point? More users stay here, more profit odyclub will make, isn't it how this industry works?

Yes, I am uneducated in this subject. My apologies.

 

[dvpatel]

Sorry, I didn't quite understand this one..
Why would you send someone away, to another forum? What's the point? More users stay here, more profit odyclub will make, isn't it how this industry works?

Yes, I am uneducated in this subject. My apologies.

Yeah. I make a killing here. 7 figures and all.

 

[WiiMaster]

I make a killing too...8 figures even:
$00,000,000

They might not be 8 significant figures but they are figures...

 

[dvpatel]

I make a killing too...8 figures even:
$00,000,000

They might not be 8 significant figures but they are figures...

Now that I know you are making 8 figures, I am going to demand a raise at my next performance review for sure.

 

[jjarokeroc]

Honda manual says many things..
One of them is "use honda OEM parts".
Sure enough, most folks from this forum are trying to avoid buying honda OEM parts, whenever possible.

The opposite is true.

Timing belt, PCV valve, gaskets, water pump, alternator, catalytic converters, exhaust pipes, axels etc., you will find the knowledgeable people on this message board advocating for OEM parts and following procedures in the service manual.

 

[thscott]

The opposite is true.

Timing belt, PCV valve, gaskets, water pump, alternator, catalytic converters, exhaust pipes, axels etc., you will find the knowledgeable people on this message board advocating for OEM parts and following procedures in the service manual.

Agree. Most of us here advocate for geniune Honda OEM parts. Usually from discount sites, not dealerships. When it is appropriate for an aftermarket part (such as the Aisin timing belt kit, or brake pads and rotors, ...) we often suggest Rock Auto or NAPA.

 

[girohead]

That is still not complete and it still mixes the old and the new per my understanding.

Based on prior discussion(s) on the topic, it seems, some fluid in the torque converter never does come out.

After my current case of DW-1 runs out, I plan to go MaxLife on the old girl.

I was about to respond like this, how to drain the torque converter? I saw someone crank the engine to flush with line disconnected, but seemed risky.

 

[WiiMaster]

I was about to respond like this, how to drain the torque converter? I saw someone crank the engine to flush with line disconnected, but seemed risky.

The way to drain the torque converter is to remove it. You can never hope to get it all out otherwise, your only option is to dilute it with so much new fluid through a 3x drain and fill that it becomes irrelevant.

 

[Odyssey.owner]

Agree. Most of us here advocate for geniune Honda OEM parts. Usually from discount sites, not dealerships. When it is appropriate for an aftermarket part (such as the Aisin timing belt kit, or brake pads and rotors, ...) we often suggest Rock Auto or NAPA.

Your most repeated advice is to buy AISIN TB kit from rockauto. So, you are avoiding to buy Honda OEM parts.

 

[Odyssey.owner]

knowledgeable people on this message board advocating for OEM parts

A few experienced guys, maybe talking about Honda OEM parts. But most people arent going to Honda dealer to buy parts there. Maybe Rockauto, at the best case. Some even shop at amazon and ebay, which is insane. Whatever case is, we are all here to avoid going to dealer, and to avoid doing what manual says, because it tells to go to dealer most of the time. Have you read a repair manual? Almost every article there starts with "connect HDS tool and run following tests... ". I wonder how many people here can do that. Maybe one or two. I highly doubt that everyone has a repair manual. Most folks cant even afford Foxwell scanner. So yeah, lets advocate for Honda OEM parts, and do everything by the book. See how that works.

Anyhow, today I am going to install new MOOG LCAs, and tomorrow will replace ATF with new to me AISIN fluid. Will report on the results.

 

[thscott]

Your most repeated advice is to buy AISIN TB kit from rockauto. So, you are avoiding to buy Honda OEM parts.

??

As I said in post #35, the Aisin timing belt kit is the one to get. It is equivalent to Honda OEM and has been shown to be reliable. It is significantly less expensive then buying the equivalent Honda parts.
Obviously the genuine Honda parts are just as good and if money was not a concern I’d recommend that. My recommendation of the Aisin kit is a rare departure from the mantra of buying genuine Honda parts. Most every other time, I recommend genuine Honda parts (axles, spool valve, alternator, etc).
I rarely buy critical parts that are aftermarket. I never buy auto parts from eBay or Amazon. I do like Rock Auto for aftermarket parts such as brake pads and rotors, filters, wiper blades, stuff like that.