Hello odyclub community,
long time visitor the first time poster here, I read all threads relating to 3rd gen odyssey since I have 2005 exl with res, it has 202k miles on it, I purchased it in 114K back in 2012, it is a good car and I really like driving and the way it handles long trip. I do mostly maintenance by myself, I like working on it and making sure job is done properly.
I had a recent experience on Aisin TKH-002 timing belt kit as I know it is the kit everyone's favorite timing belt replacement. since the mileage on the car was 114K when purchased, I check its maintenance record found that it had recent timing belt service done at honda dealer. I waited until it reached 200K so I could replace the timing belt along with its related components (idler tensioner puleys, auto tensioner, water pump etc). Another reason I had timing belt replacement, tensioner was making ticking noise when the engine start in the morning. Knowing the fact that dealer just replace belt but nothing else I know the fact that related component had 200K miles on them.
Sooo I placed the order from rockauto's TKH-002 timing belt kit since it is proven not counterfeit ebay or amazon sellters. The kit had came the quality and condition was as expected the belt is mitsuboshi from thailand. On one weekend I meticulously followed the timing belt replacement procedure and installation went smooth, everything right on the spot timing mark and everything, I turn the crank several times check the marks it was dead on. I buttoned it up covers, accessory belt tensioner and harmonic balancer (cranshaft) pulley properly torqued, and thinking of another 100K would be good. I started the engine It started right off and no codes or anything it was so smooth.
After 2000 miles later, I realized there was a noise coming from timing belt area it was like warble/rattle or gurgling type of noise when engine idle, you could barely hear in the cabin but when you open the hood and listen carefully from timing belt cover side you could hear, it started bother me but the car drives perfect and no issues or codes anything, this weekend I decided to remove timing cover and have a close look at it to see if I did not properly torques tensioner, idler pulley or something wrong with it. I checked everything very snug and tight but what I realized that when you turn the crank bolt to have timing mark aligned some point while turning timing belt water pump side of the belt get really loose, crank sprocket to idler side or left side have proper tension. The slack on water pump side of the belt was not engaging even it was not driving water pump pulley due to lack of tension. But when you aligned timing marks and then check tension on water pump part of timing belt, it becomes tight again, that puzzled me very big. I started investigating if anyone out there in internet jungle experience the same thing as myself. I narrow down my search on google then I found by googling “Honda V6 aisin warbling noise” people having problem with aisin water pump and mitsuboshi belt the following links show the extend of the problem:
then I realized that the kit has problem with water pump and belt even someone mentioned in one of those forum that the belt was slightly longer then genuine honda’s one. I confirmed that by looking at the over extended shaft of the hydraulic tensioner.
So going to majestic honda site and ordering the timing belt and water pump and its gasket, I am waiting on the parts and then I have to do replacement of timing belt and water pump. But it is really royal pain in a$$ that redoing the job that was properly done the first time but you have to do it again just because kit has problem, it is really disappointing and upsetting. Other parts (idler and tensioner pulley and hydraulic tensioner built good quality.
And I thought aisin was OE water pump manufacturer and belt was good quality since toyota use in their vehicles, but honda uses unit ta for belt and yamada for water pump, they stopped using them long back for water pump.
I know it is a very long post it became but it should show my frustration, I wanted to share my experience with others so that you are not falling into that rabbit hole.
take care
long time visitor the first time poster here, I read all threads relating to 3rd gen odyssey since I have 2005 exl with res, it has 202k miles on it, I purchased it in 114K back in 2012, it is a good car and I really like driving and the way it handles long trip. I do mostly maintenance by myself, I like working on it and making sure job is done properly.
I had a recent experience on Aisin TKH-002 timing belt kit as I know it is the kit everyone's favorite timing belt replacement. since the mileage on the car was 114K when purchased, I check its maintenance record found that it had recent timing belt service done at honda dealer. I waited until it reached 200K so I could replace the timing belt along with its related components (idler tensioner puleys, auto tensioner, water pump etc). Another reason I had timing belt replacement, tensioner was making ticking noise when the engine start in the morning. Knowing the fact that dealer just replace belt but nothing else I know the fact that related component had 200K miles on them.
Sooo I placed the order from rockauto's TKH-002 timing belt kit since it is proven not counterfeit ebay or amazon sellters. The kit had came the quality and condition was as expected the belt is mitsuboshi from thailand. On one weekend I meticulously followed the timing belt replacement procedure and installation went smooth, everything right on the spot timing mark and everything, I turn the crank several times check the marks it was dead on. I buttoned it up covers, accessory belt tensioner and harmonic balancer (cranshaft) pulley properly torqued, and thinking of another 100K would be good. I started the engine It started right off and no codes or anything it was so smooth.
After 2000 miles later, I realized there was a noise coming from timing belt area it was like warble/rattle or gurgling type of noise when engine idle, you could barely hear in the cabin but when you open the hood and listen carefully from timing belt cover side you could hear, it started bother me but the car drives perfect and no issues or codes anything, this weekend I decided to remove timing cover and have a close look at it to see if I did not properly torques tensioner, idler pulley or something wrong with it. I checked everything very snug and tight but what I realized that when you turn the crank bolt to have timing mark aligned some point while turning timing belt water pump side of the belt get really loose, crank sprocket to idler side or left side have proper tension. The slack on water pump side of the belt was not engaging even it was not driving water pump pulley due to lack of tension. But when you aligned timing marks and then check tension on water pump part of timing belt, it becomes tight again, that puzzled me very big. I started investigating if anyone out there in internet jungle experience the same thing as myself. I narrow down my search on google then I found by googling “Honda V6 aisin warbling noise” people having problem with aisin water pump and mitsuboshi belt the following links show the extend of the problem:
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then I realized that the kit has problem with water pump and belt even someone mentioned in one of those forum that the belt was slightly longer then genuine honda’s one. I confirmed that by looking at the over extended shaft of the hydraulic tensioner.
So going to majestic honda site and ordering the timing belt and water pump and its gasket, I am waiting on the parts and then I have to do replacement of timing belt and water pump. But it is really royal pain in a$$ that redoing the job that was properly done the first time but you have to do it again just because kit has problem, it is really disappointing and upsetting. Other parts (idler and tensioner pulley and hydraulic tensioner built good quality.
And I thought aisin was OE water pump manufacturer and belt was good quality since toyota use in their vehicles, but honda uses unit ta for belt and yamada for water pump, they stopped using them long back for water pump.
I know it is a very long post it became but it should show my frustration, I wanted to share my experience with others so that you are not falling into that rabbit hole.
take care
