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Scraps said:
The silica gel is for moisture. This seems like a dust. I had the assy out to shake the bulb fragments free. Unfortunately, there is no way to effectively clean the inside of the lens short of heating the assy in an oven to separate the lens. [/QUOTE
Scraps, the white haze is tungsten oxide. that is what you get when the lamp filament is powered after the glass bulb is broken. The filament actually burns (combines with oxygen) and produces that white smoke for a second or two before going out completely. The white smoke likes to cling to the inside surfaces.
I had that problem with a fog light assembly on another vehicle, and I was able to wash most of it out.
I removed the assembly and filled it halfway with water and a little dishwashing soap. then I plugged the bulb opening and shook the thing around for a while. then I rinsed it out 3 or 4 times with water, each time shaking it real good. Then the last time was with distilled water to avoid spots. Then I placed the light in the sun, the clear lens facing directly into the sun, and put a small hose from a portable air compressor inside the housing to constantly force a change of air and left it there for a few hours to dry completely. Though I could still see a slight difference between that lamp and the other, it was a lot better then before.
I hope that may help, but good luck with whatever you do.
 
MEGABURP,

Thanks for the tip. Being I have to remove the bumper to align the headlamp, I will pull the assy and give your method a try.

I actually thought of something similar but the water spots had me stumped. Distilled water...hmmm, I learned something today. :)
 
Discussion starter · #83 ·
Scraps said:
MEGABURP,

I actually thought of something similar but the water spots had me stumped. Distilled water...hmmm, I learned something today. :)
I would surely give it a try before buying a new assembly.
Just be sure to dry it fully before re installing. Let me know how it works. :cool:
 
I'll second a previous poster on the HIR bulbs. 9011/9012. They are DOT approved and work great.

I'm no lighting guru, but I put a set in each of my vehicles and won't go back. The high beams are incredible in my Land Cruiser. The low beams are much better than stock, but nothing compared to the difference on high. My Hella offroad lights don't even get used anymore with the HIR high beams.

There's a guy on eBay selling both versions 9011/9012 that was great to deal with(not affiliated with me at all).http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TOSH...QcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33710QQihZ008QQitemZ180261865719QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW


Best $100 I spent on my truck. We've only got 250 miles on the van so we'll see how they shine at night before putting them in, but I have to believe they will be worth it again.
 
Try cleaning the inside with some Dishwashing soap and water. Swish it around for a few minutes, empty and then rinse well.

At the last rinse put some vinigar in with the water so there won't be any water spots inside the lens when it dries. Put in a 100 F oven so it could dry well...

Hope it works.
 
vfrman said:
I'll second a previous poster on the HIR bulbs. 9011/9012. They are DOT approved and work great.

I'm no lighting guru, but I put a set in each of my vehicles and won't go back. The high beams are incredible in my Land Cruiser. The low beams are much better than stock, but nothing compared to the difference on high. My Hella offroad lights don't even get used anymore with the HIR high beams.

There's a guy on eBay selling both versions 9011/9012 that was great to deal with(not affiliated with me at all).http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TOSH...QcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33710QQihZ008QQitemZ180261865719QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW


Best $100 I spent on my truck. We've only got 250 miles on the van so we'll see how they shine at night before putting them in, but I have to believe they will be worth it again.
I installed the Toshiba 9012 low beams in October. The mod needed to make them fit was quick and painless. What a difference! Side by side with my neighbors 2004 makes hers look like it had two flashlights up front. I can't believe I went 160,000 miles without these. The van should have had headlights of this quality from the factory!

The ebay user id is hir_headlights. Their website is http://www.finemotoring.com/ . I have no connection with them other than being a satisfied customer.
 
headlight upgrade?

I'm a Road Warrior with a 05 Ody with 170,000 miles on it.

I have 2 complaints 1. Road Noise 2. Headlights.

is it worth getting the bulbs from Fine Motoring the Toshiba bulbs? HIR 9011 & HIR 9012

Do they require much of a modification?

is there a better answer?

Thanks for the advice in advance.
 
I haven't swapped the bulbs yet in my Odyssey, but I have two sets of 9011 high beams in a box in the garage.

I'm running the high beams in both low and high beam sockets in my Land Cruiser. Light output/pattern is incredible to say the least. Never flashed by oncoming traffic. I really don't think I would even bother buying the low beams again.

The website shows you how to trim the 9011 bulbs to fit the low beam sockets. Very simple modification for a tremendous amount of quality light. $25/bulb is worth every penny.

I hear you on the road noise complaint too. It seems like it doesn't seal very well behind the drivers seat. Haven't looked into it yet if it's sliding door, or drivers door seal that whistles. Annoying though. I think the tires make a lot of noise too.

On the ease of modification: It's all just a little trimming of the new bulb casing with a finger nail clipper or "Dremel" type tool. They come marked with exactly how much you need to trim off. Separate instructions for using the 9011's in low sockets. Same basic procedure except you take the little rubber o-ring that is already on your low beam bulbs, and slip it onto the new 9011 bulb for a tight seal. Sounds more complicated to type it than it was to install them.
 
MEGABURP said:
"The Silverstars sold in the US are a waste of money"

I fully understand the false claims, high price, and shortened life of these bulbs. (I don't pay retail) and thanks for the input. However, my question remains in the replacement of the high beam bulbs.
+1

Cheap bulbs will never put them on my vehicles again...even if they were free...after a month of using these bulbs (4 different sets) on my old RSX they would turn back to stock color and they burn out quick specially if you leave the auto lights on. PIAA's all the way! Have them on my 2001 Escape for 4 years still white brite bulbs.
 
vfrman said:
I haven't swapped the bulbs yet in my Odyssey, but I have two sets of 9011 high beams in a box in the garage.

I'm running the high beams in both low and high beam sockets in my Land Cruiser. Light output/pattern is incredible to say the least. Never flashed by oncoming traffic. I really don't think I would even bother buying the low beams again.

The website shows you how to trim the 9011 bulbs to fit the low beam sockets. Very simple modification for a tremendous amount of quality light. $25/bulb is worth every penny.

On the ease of modification: It's all just a little trimming of the new bulb casing with a finger nail clipper or "Dremel" type tool. They come marked with exactly how much you need to trim off. Separate instructions for using the 9011's in low sockets. Same basic procedure except you take the little rubber o-ring that is already on your low beam bulbs, and slip it onto the new 9011 bulb for a tight seal. Sounds more complicated to type it than it was to install them.
What he said--the mod took 15 seconds with a Dremel. You just clip off a little piece, it doesn't have to be that precise.

The low beam ones were enough for me, that's where the Ody is lacking. I'm picking up a 2009 Touring tonight and will likely put a set of these in ASAP.
 
The funny thing someone on my LC Forum found is that these Toshiba 9012 bulbs can be bought at a John Deere dealer for about $10/each. Same bulb. They cross reference with a combine or front end loader or other implement. Way cheaper, but JD is on to it as their prices have risen considerably once they were swamped with requests for them. I paid $9.95 for them last year. Since swappin the 9011's in, I wouldn't go back to even the 9012's now. 9011's in low beams just light up the night.
 
Do you have the JD part nubmer?
 
AH211917. This is the low beam 9012 bulb that replaces the standard 9006 low beam. You need to trim the tab to fit, but nothing on the vehicle ever gets modified with these bulbs. Only the bulb themselves so if you ever want to switch back, or one ever burns out and y ou only have a 9006 as a spare, you're covered.

Really, if the JD prices are up to $20 now anyway, I'd go with the 9011's in your lows and buy them from finemotoring.com. He's a good guy and you will really be amazed at the light output.

In short: 9012's are great, but 9011's are 10 steps above.

Here's the whole background for anyone interested. Some of the guys on the Land Cruiser Forum I belong to are gurus in the lighting world. ("Cary" especially). Lots of good info. Which ever you choose, it's way better than stock. Good luck.


http://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/122662-john-deere-hir-bulbs-2.html
 
vfrman said:
AH211917. This is the low beam 9012 bulb that replaces the standard 9006 low beam. You need to trim the tab to fit, but nothing on the vehicle ever gets modified with these bulbs. Only the bulb themselves so if you ever want to switch back, or one ever burns out and y ou only have a 9006 as a spare, you're covered.

Really, if the JD prices are up to $20 now anyway, I'd go with the 9011's in your lows and buy them from finemotoring.com. He's a good guy and you will really be amazed at the light output.

In short: 9012's are great, but 9011's are 10 steps above.


http://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/122662-john-deere-hir-bulbs-2.html
Really? I haven't messed with my headlights at all, but you are saying that the 9011 will replace the low-beam light (9006)? If so, is there an issue with them being too bright (since they are high-beam bulbs in low-beam sockets)?

I only want to replace my low-beams, so I want to make sure I am ordering the right bulb.

Thanks,
John
 
I'm not sure if I posted the right link but I'll look today and re-post if not.

In short: To replace your 9006 low beams you buy (2) 9011 (High beam bulbs)bulbs from finemotoring.com or Daniel Stern Lighting(not sure contact info for him.)

You will need to look at the directions on the site for exactly how to trim them, but you just take a good nail clipper, or a Dremel tool and snip the tabs as indicated. (You'll see the difference if you hold your old 9006 next to the new 9011.) The locking tabs are oriented differently. Also with the high to low swap you will take the little o-ring off of your old 9006 and slip it over the shaft of the new 9011 bulb. (Basically you're just adding another o-ring that seals up the bulb into the housing.)

There are little guides on the new 9011 bulb that need to be filed off. Again, look to the directions and it will be obvious. Two little raised guides.

Once that's done(all of 5 minutes once you see how easy it is) you just stick them into your low beam housings like any other bulb. Nothing is ever touched on the vehicle itself so don't be afraid. Just pay attention when you snip the tabs off because if you're watching kids or TV at the same time, you may take off the wrong one then you're buying another bulb.

I'll check shortly to get the right link up. Max explains it a lot better than me.

I'm on the road at night constantly and have yet to be flashed by oncoming traffic. The reason it's not offensive to others is the pattern stays the same. If you put some aftermarket high output bulbs in, your lenses can shine light up and directly at traffic rather than down and out on the road. I'm sure someone more techy than me can elaborate, but look to "Cary's" comments on the IH8MUD site I linked to. He sums it up the best I've seen.

The only drawback I've seen is a little more reflection in a blizzard when the snows really coming down, but not an issue that outweighs the benefits in m y book.

Trust me, you'll be amazed at how much light you get for $50. And it's light you can actually use since it's your low beams that you typically probably use 90% of the time. The 9011's as high beams are great too, but the stock highs already do a pretty good job. Do them both and be done, but the lows will make the biggest impression.


http://hirheadlights.com/index.htm

Waiting for the right link for the high low swap, but here is the site for background/spec info on the bulbs themselves.



Per Max: See below.

This is the single-step procedure for stock replacement trimming:
http://shnu.us/HIR Trimming Stock.htm


To do the hi-lo conversion, there are three steps-
1) Trim the top tab to fit in a low housing socket (remove the side opposite to the white section, approximately). If the bulbs are not marked, refer to your current 9006 low bulbs and trim the new ones to match.

2) Cut the double guide rails out of the plug section of the bulb. Dremel, utility knife, soldering tip all work well.
3) Double up the o-ring, putting your old o-rings on the barrel of the 9011 bulb behind the existing ones. This centers the bulb and keeps it watertight.

You can use the foam shipping tube as a holder for trimming.
http://shnu.us/HI-LO2.htm




Also, there's an issue affecting some vehicles (including some Hondas) where the hole in the housing has a taper or ridge in it, for no clear reason. This can make it difficult to push and turn the bulb into position. The fix is to bevel the nose of the barrel a little; see pic for my quick and dirty approach. You simply file down the area above the o-ring a little bit, on an angle. Neither of these things present much of a hurdle, and the trimming is still quick and easy (and worth the result)

edit: I can't upload the pictures Max is referencing. I can email it if someone needs it. Simple sanding/filing if necessary.
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I just spent all of 10 minutes snipping the 9011's for the van and putting them in the low beams.

Piece of cake once again. No need to bevel the barrel as mentioned for some Hondas. Perfect fit with just the normal trimming of the tabs on the new bulbs.
 
I put the 9012s in the low and 9011 in the high and did not notice much difference from the off road bulbs in my signature.

I would DEFINITELY recommend the Toshiba 9011s in the high beam and 9012s in the low beams, if they last as long as stock bulbs as I have not ben able to test the longevity of them........yet..............

I have not tested the 9011s in the low beam. Yet.


If you buy these bulbs, make sure you get the HIR bulbs from Toshiba!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Most of the 9011/9012 users that have had them for 2-3 years are still running on their first set. Haven't heard of any failures.

Just make sure, as with any halogen, that you don't touch the glass when you're installing them. Use an alcohol wipe on them just to be sure right before you put them in.
 
It seems that the main trick with the Silverstar is to change the position of the bulb in the housing so that light is emitted in a narrower pattern. More light right in front, but less elsewhere.

HIR lights are a proven technology. It produces more lumens/W. Their focal point seems to be the same as their non-HIR conterparts. I'll go with the HIR!
 
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